re: Curmudgeon in the Cellar #148 & #149 UPDATE 11-29-2020 40:57 time mark Curmudgeon in the Cellar #149 I probably won't watch#150 , unless there's comments alluding to this shit
Final thoughts on the Phenomenon of those who play role playing games
destroying fictional monsters based on real historical monsters(as
metaphors or dramatizing them overtly): Its a therapeutical crutch for
those afflicted with extreme complex ptsd who were those kind of
monsters' former victims or have family members who were former victims,
and were all adversely effected. Seriously I've met people of from
families of enough refugees. While these refugees may not necessarily
care to play D&D, there's always some kind of bizarre morbid comic
relief in the way they portray their holocausts. I'm sure you know of
some of Mel Brooks's films where he made fun of historic persecution of
his heritage "Mel Brooks hitler" "Mel brooks the inquisition" ? And
so some such former victims of horrible crimes sometimes seek out
D&D as a mind exercise as a means to learning to deep psychology
forensics, to cope with being former victims, and perhaps even how to
defeat and forgive these enemies. https://astrologyobservations.blogspot.com/2020/10/horoscpoe-hermann-goering-birth-data.html
34:55 Since you showed us the cute plushy Otyugh / or Neo-Otyugh on the shelf, the Monster I always thought was the perfect composting recycling machine in the Dungeons and Dragons ecology, I got the perfect "Career criminal" outlaw Magic User/Rogue class that's got some obscure gross references so TRIGGER WARNING,. I was thinking maybe make a class specializing in gradual herd immunity and disease resistances where characters go through a series of obstacle courses in some kind of GG Allin / Otyugh habitat, or maybe South Park "Lemmiwinks" with the highest surviving levels of this MU/Rogue Class being some kind of "Aghori Sadu" ultra Magus Swami GURU, or maybe a Bobby Sands "Irish dirty protest" survivor extravaganza with all sorts power alluding to references in the "comedian George Carlin germs" sketch. Such high level power will never require antibiotics or vaccines ever again.
32:45 Okay. Given this quote "His Most Terrible Majesty, the Invincible Overlord,Hygelak XI, the Dread Klipmaran Noble, male human(Tharbrian) Ftr20:" "Alignment Lawful Evil" - 2004 Necromancer Games version of version of the "The City State of the Invincible Overlord" . I think if I ever DM play that game I'll play him as Mahatma Ghandi or Mother Theresa or better yet PeeWee Herman. And if I'm a Player Character maybe have a powerful Wizard (as taboo as Gary acquaintances insist that Gary was against) that flies over old Hygelak's head and defeats him by pee-ing magical pixie dust that turns him into a Giraffe who I teleport to Jurassic Park Island to become Dinosaur food. LOL
re: Gary Gygax and Magic Users some more. That was an Interesting discussion of Gary's ideas about Magic Users because we're kind of discussing 2 different view points. I don't dispute you in the least about what you say you knew of Gary on the subject, but in our gaming group and the way I learned the game there were 2 types of M.U.'ers, #1 there's the technocrat Villainous ivory towered a-hole Wizard drunk on extreme power like Saurman in Lord of the Rings or Thulsa Doom (the Villain from the 1st Conan Movie), (or quite possibly those who act like our modern little proverbial "Dr. Mengele's" & "The Island of Doctor Moreau" style of Wizards who do all sorts of dirty tricks of genetic engineering and psychological warfare cult hazing people into orcs, or crafting up hoax virus's in labs to push vaccines for big pharma & medical mafia Quackery duping a population to accept draconian tyranny when known cures of vitamins and nutrients dispell that hoax) and #2. There's the underdog heroic wizard of what our gaming group thought as the grunt, guerilla warfare specialist salt of the earth, Player character Magic User quite often favored by our gaming group to be an Elf or Half Elf Multi Class (Magic User / Fighter, Magic User / Ranger or Magic User / Thief). We had these multi class players because we liked minimal characters with maximum proficiency with only about 2 or 3 players with 1 character each at a time. That 2 or 3 pc party floated our boat. So maybe you can segway into saying your opinion about Multi-Class characters as something to talk about next week? Needless to say I think we can agree, (with all do respect if you say I'm wrong) Gary wanted people to draw their own conclusions and ideas about their own imaginary worlds of what Magic is like and could hardly care about which of those 2 schools of thought of what his customers chose as their player character magic user, just as long as they enjoyed and did no harm with his product. Aside from that for whatever reason we didn't consider the wands and staffs that shoot the big big explosions from magic missiles as something standalone Fighters, Ranger, nor Paladins, nor Barbarians could ever wield. Maybe that makes more sense on what I'm saying? I don't know.
Oh and another thing I don't imagine you disagree-ing with me in this regards at all, that the Final Boss / A-hole archetype Magic User I described, also includes Liches as the Antagonist and/or Final Boss / Villain which you Tim Kask admitted to in one of your videos DM'ing and playing as an NPC being the T.P.K. culprit in your own games. (just saying).
40:57 Why study Historical bad guys and make and emulate D&D villains similar to them? Why not? What's a true adventure hook without an adversary to really dramatize and entice players to both want to kick his ass or in some cases kiss his ass? Wasn't the whole "invincible overlord" in the "City State of the Invincible Overlord" based on an amalgamation of bad guys? IMHO Its a learning experience to perceive how power corrupts and how corrupted power is seductive and there's a certain amount of morbid humorous twist to their humanity. For example Richard Pryor did a sketch on Idi Amin that was classic. I used the example of Hermann Goring especially for his cantenkerus ability to proclaim his position especially near the end him at the Nuremberg trials.
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RE: Gary Not wanting to Magic-Users to "run roughshod over the game"
LOL? That is funny because I thought the 1980's target market for
D&D was awkward 13 old kids raised on seeing Action Movies of the
1980s (Rambo, Commando, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc. in theaters )
with all sorts of explosions and massive cataclysmic fire and stuff.
Back in those days we wanted characters that could drop dragons out of
the sky with magic artillery such as fireballs, frostballs, lightening
bolts, thunder flatulance and other methods. Ironically also
interesting was that Gary played Magic Users. According to "TSR 1980
The Rogues Gallery" 2 high level Magic Users ( Mordenkainen and Bigby)
are listed as Gary's player characters. Gary and Rob Kuntz went on to
publish "Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure (TSR, Inc., 1984)"
33:22 IMHO (IN MY HUMBLE OPINION) Regardless what kind of Gaming Group is agreed upon by players and GM(s), honest communication is important before starting. The good people at Monte Cook have made an interesting document stressing the importance of communication between interested participants of role playing games before actually playing. They listed subject matter that might be disturbing to some. IMHO I don’t think this form needs to be filled out by all participants, but its got an interesting checklist of potentially disturbing areas to study and to to consider IMHO (IN MY HUMBLE OPINION) on The Art of Successful RPG & “consent in gaming” = a safe place for “inapppropriateness” in an appropriate placeIf organized and conducted wisely role playing games are a safe place to accidentally do something stupid or emotionally angry or disturbing without the real life consequences of burning one’s bridges, job, or losing a marriage or relationship. Its a safe place for the flawed, those with tourette syndrome rudeness and desensitivity, the emotionally awkward, emotionally disturbed, the shy, the nerdy geeky, those with disabilities, those with PTSD triggers and those with whatever stigmas or flaws overcome them in sometimes surprisingly similar company to practice social interactions. If a game is orchestrated wisely, people are safe to test their limits of drama and thespian skills, to “play rough” in a creative outlet with a very active “monkey mind” with respect from others knowing “its all in good fun” by being immature or rather being “inappropriate “in – an -appropriate place” , and sometimes unintentionally accidentally stepping on fellow players toes and feet and mistakenly causing a T.P.K.’s with an understanding at the end of each game session that “its just a game”, with a week later at the beginning of each session knowing the past is all “water under the bridge” with all new fiction characters, new fictional scenarios and settings, with no grudges nor hard feelings, befriending the same participants and laughing at each others silly characters and encounters with others.If organized and conducted wisely, role playing games are a safe place to practice interactions becoming strong and resilient about disturbing subject matter and disturbing situations. Its a place to spar and practice like a good martial artist practitioner in the same way wild kittens play rough with each other to grow up and learn to be good hunters as adults. Its a place to respond to some of these triggers, to spar simulate “stereotypes” “off color remarks” “politically incorrect situations”, “vulgar language”, dirty jokes, racist, sexist, heterophobic, homophobic, and all sorts of hostile encounters tactfully.The dark side of gaming taken too seriously is that everyone has a breaking point and sometimes some people say things that go too far.Here is a very interesting video by someone of African American heritage that stresses that its better to bring out all our weird prejudices and attitudes out in a simulation and role playing game to learn to refrain from such prejudices and hurtful attitudes in real life, and that would otherwise be very shocking and emotionally disturbing to some, unacceptable or inappropriate, whether its just an ethical or moral stance, or to PTSD afflicted players. “Please, be a Racist (in your RPG’s)” by youtube user RPG with DBJ the Dreaded DM
Tim, I'm curious if you've DM'd or wrote an NPC "final boss" &/or supervillains in your D&D games (or any games) based on historical imfamous War Criminals. The reason I asked was because I was watching all sorts of Hermann Göring documentaries the other day, including a 1996 Move called "The Ogre" starring John MaLkovich, and somehow I could totally imagine you dramatizing Herman Goring. Seriously he's interesting because he use to have this big estate and hunting lodge called Carinhall where he was the life of a party (perfect for medieval d&d tropes). Also he was 1 of your fellow Sun Capricorns (d.o.b. Hermann Wilhelm Göring, January 12, 1893) who could really could be mean and stubborn and expedient to opponents. Also old Herman Goring tow'd his favorite political party lines on positions like you seemed to do with certain strong political positions. I've already express contemptuous disagreement towards those opinions of yours & especially Hermann's awhile back and don't watch your videos anymore, but since I noticed someone liked an old comment of mine, it must mean I'm not banned for such vitriolic disagreement. So I'll be sure to watch C. in the Cellar #148 to see & hear if you read this comment. There's also this raunchy punk rock musician called "Terrible Tim" whose probably nothing like you, but maybe if you were in other circumstances he'd be your alter ego LOL LOL LOL.
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