for the lurking Racial seperatist seekers
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This has some Bahai concepts
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for [ethnic group of ]Children."
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/14-words
IMHO Here is why those 14 words are not an entirely non-Bahai: Back to the
The Three False Gods chapter of The Promised Day is Come by Shoghi Effendi:https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/shoghi-effendi/promised-day-come/5#703829286
"The theories and policies, so unsound, so pernicious, which deify the state and exalt the nation above mankind, which seek to subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race, which discriminate between the black and the white, and which tolerate the dominance of one privileged class over all others—these are the dark, the false, and crooked doctrines for which any man or people who believes in them, or acts upon them, must, sooner or later, incur the wrath and chastisement of God."
"subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race" means losing one's identity in total "melting pot" communism.
IMHO Heredity pride without self loathing nor elitism is the goal of Bahais trying to end racialism or racism. I always thought insisting one is from "The Master Race" such as Hitler described his people (who have the right to enslave or genocide other Races) was the fatal flaw of Nazi philosophy. There was a certain amount of righteous ethnic solidarity and unity that Hitler was trying to bring about in Europe, but tragically it came with the prices. Distress of the aftermath of people in a state of demoralization after World War I to the point of relentlesss blind hatred running and reigning rampant was horrible. The Soviet Union was no better and probably worse than Nazi Germany. When an overt Mossad Jew Agent says the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi Germany
"INTERVIEW Hitler, the Jews, and Israel" I have to agree because
it was his people allegedly that were the most marked for extermination
by Nazis.
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for [ethnic group of ]Children."
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/14-words
IMHO Here is why those 14 words are not an entirely non-Bahai: Back to the
The Three False Gods chapter of The Promised Day is Come by Shoghi Effendi:https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/shoghi-effendi/promised-day-come/5#703829286
"The theories and policies, so unsound, so pernicious, which deify the state and exalt the nation above mankind, which seek to subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race, which discriminate between the black and the white, and which tolerate the dominance of one privileged class over all others—these are the dark, the false, and crooked doctrines for which any man or people who believes in them, or acts upon them, must, sooner or later, incur the wrath and chastisement of God."
"subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race" means losing one's identity in total "melting pot" communism.
IMHO Heredity pride without self loathing nor elitism is the goal of Bahais trying to end racialism or racism. I always thought insisting one is from "The Master Race" such as Hitler described his people (who have the right to enslave or genocide other Races) was the fatal flaw of Nazi philosophy. There was a certain amount of righteous ethnic solidarity and unity that Hitler was trying to bring about in Europe, but tragically it came with the prices. Distress of the aftermath of people in a state of demoralization after World War I to the point of relentlesss blind hatred running and reigning rampant was horrible. The Soviet Union was no better and probably worse than Nazi Germany. When an overt Mossad Jew Agent says the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi Germany
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Vikings. The new target of the woke brigade. Why are they trying to discredit my Viking ancestors and rewrite history?
Why is Viking Culture Constantly Being Attacked and Discredited?
https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/shoghi-effendi/advent-divine-justice/advent-divine-justice.xhtml?e256252e
Why is Viking Culture Constantly Being Attacked and Discredited?
https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/shoghi-effendi/advent-divine-justice/advent-divine-justice.xhtml?e256252e
https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/shoghi-effendi/advent-divine-justice/advent-divine-justice.xhtml?e256252e
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I think the focus should be on the dignity and
well-being of people who are living today. It is a good thing to
acknowledge provable facts of history, but judge them based on the
conditions of the time, not modern standards. This should increase our
understanding of the oneness of humanity and should never be an excuse
to marginalize anyone. I really don't understand the claim that people
are disparaging Vikings, I think these people are just trying to
generate controversy, and use it as an excuse to hate other people.
The quote above from the Advent of Divine Justice highlights the fact that various groups of people went through high and low periods in their history and a new Prophet appears where people are at a low point, and afterward they achieve great advancement as a result of the new Revelation. This is not due to an inherent superiority of a certain group of people, but it is from the bounty of God.
The quote above from the Advent of Divine Justice highlights the fact that various groups of people went through high and low periods in their history and a new Prophet appears where people are at a low point, and afterward they achieve great advancement as a result of the new Revelation. This is not due to an inherent superiority of a certain group of people, but it is from the bounty of God.
Then please critically study the history of Vikings and Scandinavia and all these white European non-Christian or pre-Christian or varieties of anomolous Christian societies in Northern Europe as best as you possibly can. These were some of the last fierce free people on the fringes of European Christianity to convert to Christianity. They were not subjugated to what Shoghi Effendi seems to describe as "the deification of the State" = the Roman imperialism in as much as other parts of Europe were and especially fraud Christianities corrupted version of Christianity known as the detritius of the Roman empire, The Roman Catholic church, and various divisive factions leading to a horrible persecution known as "The Reformation" https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+reformation and "The Inquisition" https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+inquisition
tribes of Europe:
When Shoghi Effendi says:
and Shoghi Effendi also says in promise day is come:
and these scholars talk about Scandinavian history starting 4:45 through 12:00 minute time marks :
as Vikings being wrongfully portrayed like American Indians,
it all kind of starts to fall into place why some of these White Separatist groups rightfully see their true identities of European ancient cultures as persecuted too.
Why wouldn't people consider Vikings as disparaged?
The Scandinavian Summerschool 19-25 july, 1987 Nordiska folkhögskolan in kungälv, SWEDEN
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In the context of the times, the Vikings were
heroic and creative, and enriched the culture of the world. For
instance, the city of Dublin Ireland was founded by Vikings, and the
Irish are glad to have it. According to modern standards, the practice
of raiding and pillaging and keeping slaves is unacceptable. So is White
supremacy or any other racial supremacy unacceptable because it
dehumanizes others. It is important to have an accurate view of history,
and not glorify people of the past just because they were our
ancestors. Some things in the past need to stay there.
I agree but some things "in the past" are tried and test brilliant Bahai principles severely genocided, subjugated, and humiliated that are accurately part of one's own righteous unique identity.
"Unity in Diversity"
https://www.bahaiquotes.com/subject/unity-diversity
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Here's 2 great links about the Bahai concept of Educations of Girls and women
Educating Girls and Women
And here's a persecuted people at last as bad as Persian Bahais in Iran:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=apache+sunrise+ceremony
Are you starting to see a pattern of ethnic identity politics
and all the righetous indignation going down in the world? Yet? And how Shoghi Effendi predicted and warned of all this with clockwork brilliant accuracy?
If Bahais haven't noticed vehement political conflict going down in the USA this past year, and if Bahais supposedly from there haven't noticed such deranged partisan politics, and you side with 1 extreme or the other, when Shoghi Effendi warns the world way back on the Eve of World War 2
of
These are 2 non negotiable goals.
"The theories and policies, so unsound, so pernicious, which deify the state and exalt the nation above mankind, which seek to subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race, which discriminate between the black and the white, and which tolerate the dominance of one privileged class over all others—these are the dark, the false, and crooked doctrines for which any man or people who believes in them, or acts upon them, must, sooner or later, incur the wrath and chastisement of God."
What kind of Bahai do you think you are? He's talking about 2 extreme political partisan ideologies in conflict to avoid like the plague! subordinate (a.k.a. the melting pot theory) Melting pot - Wikipedia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQl6XBo64M
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There may be different understandings of the
meaning of "subordinate". It can mean "subjugate" as in slavery or
colonialism, or Apartheid, where there is never any intention of
blending races, just one race exploiting another. I think you are
thinking of "assimilate" where the intention is to cause a people to
give up their native culture and adopt the dominant culture, and
potentially their race to be blended into the dominant race such that a
racial difference is no longer perceptible.
The idea of a "melting pot" can be different from that, where it is understood that the dominant culture will change as it absorbs elements of the minority culture, and the result is a new culture which is a combination of the two. To me that seems a better outcome than to assimilate, and shows greater respect for each component culture. There are very different opinions about that, and some people feel they have to resist any cultural blending to keep their culture "pure" The only way to make that happen is that each culture remains isolated and never adopts any traits or customs of other cultures, and there is no racial mixing. That requires preventing any migration of people to different countries, or keeping the populations separated if they do.
In the end, I strongly feel that all peoples are one, and it is a good thing if they blend and share their cultures willingly. On the other hand, if minority cultures are forced to assimilate and give up the good traits they have, that is a cultural loss. Not to mention killing off entire cultures, which is a crime against humanity. Of course, human cultures have spread, diversified, merged, blended and died out over and over again over many thousands of years, even hundreds of thousands, so its nothing new, but the vision of one human race united in diversity, and a developing global civilization is new and necessary fro world peace human well-being.
The idea of a "melting pot" can be different from that, where it is understood that the dominant culture will change as it absorbs elements of the minority culture, and the result is a new culture which is a combination of the two. To me that seems a better outcome than to assimilate, and shows greater respect for each component culture. There are very different opinions about that, and some people feel they have to resist any cultural blending to keep their culture "pure" The only way to make that happen is that each culture remains isolated and never adopts any traits or customs of other cultures, and there is no racial mixing. That requires preventing any migration of people to different countries, or keeping the populations separated if they do.
In the end, I strongly feel that all peoples are one, and it is a good thing if they blend and share their cultures willingly. On the other hand, if minority cultures are forced to assimilate and give up the good traits they have, that is a cultural loss. Not to mention killing off entire cultures, which is a crime against humanity. Of course, human cultures have spread, diversified, merged, blended and died out over and over again over many thousands of years, even hundreds of thousands, so its nothing new, but the vision of one human race united in diversity, and a developing global civilization is new and necessary fro world peace human well-being.
All I 'm really saying is The confluence
"blending", and interactions of diverse cultures is a very slippery
slope, a complex matter, and a delicate matter requiring a lot of
justice and discernment! People want consistent ethics and morality!
People are frightened of their better heritage, their true identities,
being subordinated and subjugated!
especially the circumstances and message he was trying to deliver around the date just before and shortly after he addressed the entire Promised Day is come Book?
The Book Speaks for itself. I can't add anything else, but I will share an anecdote of History that White Nationalists, White Speratists, Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists rightfully use in their rhetoric in defense of Nazi Germany.
What are you thinking? What do you think Shoghi Effendi means in this whole Three False God Quote:?
The Promised Day Is Come | Bahá’í Reference Library
especially the circumstances and message he was trying to deliver around the date just before and shortly after he addressed the entire Promised Day is come Book?
Considering World War 2? and all that?
The Book Speaks for itself. I can't add anything else, but I will share an anecdote of History that White Nationalists, White Speratists, Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists rightfully use in their rhetoric in defense of Nazi Germany.
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To answer the question about the meaning of this quote from Shoghi Effendi:
"The theories and policies, so unsound, so pernicious, which deify the state and exalt the nation above mankind, which seek to subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race, which discriminate between the black and the white, and which tolerate the dominance of one privileged class over all others—these are the dark, the false, and crooked doctrines for which any man or people who believes in them, or acts upon them, must, sooner or later, incur the wrath and chastisement of God."
I think theories and policies that deify the state are referring to both Communism and Fascism, both of which place the state above all else. Subordinating all sister races to one race is talking specifically about the Nazi theory of a "master race" that is destined to rule the others. Of course those ideas existed in Europe for a century prior to Hitler, and were used as an excuse for colonial expansion by many European countries. Exalting one class above the others could apply to the Caste system in India, the Feudal system in Europe, Capitalism where workers rights are not protected, and also Communism where supposedly the "proletariat" held supremacy, all of which are flawed systems. Discriminating between Black and White also was the policy in much of the United States at that time (1930s), and even where it was illegal it was still practiced, so even the so-called democracies were and still are guilty of it. Not just the U.S., but Canada and Australia and many others had discriminatory immigration policies and policies towards their indigenous peoples. Spain and Portugal had a horrific record exploitation against indigenous peoples that persisted in Latin America even after those countries gained independence, so nobody is without blame here.
So that's why I say we should acknowledge the truth about the past, and not be too nostalgic for it. A unified world based love and respect will be much better.
"The theories and policies, so unsound, so pernicious, which deify the state and exalt the nation above mankind, which seek to subordinate the sister races of the world to one single race, which discriminate between the black and the white, and which tolerate the dominance of one privileged class over all others—these are the dark, the false, and crooked doctrines for which any man or people who believes in them, or acts upon them, must, sooner or later, incur the wrath and chastisement of God."
I think theories and policies that deify the state are referring to both Communism and Fascism, both of which place the state above all else. Subordinating all sister races to one race is talking specifically about the Nazi theory of a "master race" that is destined to rule the others. Of course those ideas existed in Europe for a century prior to Hitler, and were used as an excuse for colonial expansion by many European countries. Exalting one class above the others could apply to the Caste system in India, the Feudal system in Europe, Capitalism where workers rights are not protected, and also Communism where supposedly the "proletariat" held supremacy, all of which are flawed systems. Discriminating between Black and White also was the policy in much of the United States at that time (1930s), and even where it was illegal it was still practiced, so even the so-called democracies were and still are guilty of it. Not just the U.S., but Canada and Australia and many others had discriminatory immigration policies and policies towards their indigenous peoples. Spain and Portugal had a horrific record exploitation against indigenous peoples that persisted in Latin America even after those countries gained independence, so nobody is without blame here.
So that's why I say we should acknowledge the truth about the past, and not be too nostalgic for it. A unified world based love and respect will be much better.
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you may have missed this link I posted about the Holodomor documentaries on bitchute:
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=holodomor documentary&kind=video
Shoghi Effendi says:
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=holodomor documentary&kind=video
Shoghi Effendi says:
Jcc writes:
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