Wednesday, October 23, 2019

2 ENCOUNTERS refusIing to show ID TO COPS & 2 incidents




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=293&v=XPDE8MovJQA



https://www.copblock.org/38811/are-you-required-to-show-id-or-answer-questions-to-police-and-other-government-agents-upon-demand-by-john-henry-hill-m-d-ph-d/



The following post was shared with the CopBlock Network by John-Henry Hill, M.D., Ph.D., via the CopBlock.org submissions page.


Are You Required To Show ID or Answer Questions To Police and Other Government Agents Upon Demand? – by John-Henry Hill, M.D., Ph.D. – October 9, 2013

“They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.” – Gerald Massey

“He, who would be deceived, let him.” – ancient Roman maxim of law

“We have people in government who should not be allowed to play with matches.” — Will Rogers

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“It has long been established that the loss of constitutional freedoms, “for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury.” Elrod v. Burns, 427 U.S. 347, 373 (1976) (plurality opinion) (citing New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713 (1971)).” — CANEISHA MILLS, ET AL., v. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, No. 08-7127, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, July 10, 2009

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Are You Required To Show ID or Answer Questions To Police and Other Government Agents Upon Demand?

For showing an ID: The answer is NO, except ONLY under extremely limited circumstances (detention with “reasonable, articulable suspicion” during a Terry stop” OR when being detained under “probable cause” for the commission of a crime.

For answering questions: Absolutely NO, NEVER! You are NOT required to answer any questions or to speak at all. (Further, you are NOT required to take any “tests” – such as a so-called “field sobriety test” re: alcohol consumption or an “alcohol breath analyzer test.” Further, you can NOT be punished for your refusal. However, the U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that you are required to clearly and explicitly state that you “invoke your right to remain silent”, your “5th Amendment guarantee against self-incrimination, or words to that effect.

Below are some U.S. Supreme Court decisions which affirm your right to NOT show an ID (or otherwise identify yourself) or answer any questions.

”Texas may not criminalize by statute or practice conduct that is Constitutionally protected. — Coates v. Cincinnati, 402 U.S. 611, 616 (1971)
21. Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156 (1972) “a statute which serves as “merely the cloak” for arrests which would not otherwise be lawful is a pernicious affront to the Fourth Amendment and cannot be upheld”
“Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them.” Miranda v. Ariz., 384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).
Thus: All State, county, city or town STATUTES (regulations, ordinances, procedure/practice, etc), that “criminalize” a Constitutionally-protected right, are VOID and of NO LEGAL FORCE !!!!!!
Lefkowitz v. Turley, 414 U.S. 70, 77 (1973) the Fifth Amendment “not only protects the individual against being involuntarily called as a witness against himself in a criminal prosecution, but also privileges him not to answer official questions put to him in any other proceeding, civil or criminal, formal or informal, where the answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings



Raw: Body cam of Oregon State student arrest   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbEMATJJyg









I saw a fair amound of the vid " Raw: Body cam of Oregon State student arrest KGW News" The law of our endless unconstitutional martial law Cop encounter ethics is: "Anything you say can and will be used against you" and most of what the cops says can't be used against them. That lady talked way too much Quote-ing A Citizen's Advocacy website: Are You Required To Show ID or Answer Questions To Police and Other Government Agents Upon Demand? For showing an ID: The answer is NO, except ONLY under extremely limited circumstances (detention with “reasonable, articulable suspicion” during a Terry stop” OR when being detained under “probable cause” for the commission of a crime. ]" I agree that there probably was not any "racial profiling" here. She talked way too much and didn't know when to STFU AND is damn LUCKY we live in the days of mass cell phone cameras & cops wearing body cams and Citizen responses like these. Thank God these neighbors responded or she would've been beat up a lot worse 28 years ago when I use to bicycle in Corvallis. Campus cops are bored and paranoid and equal opportunity haters near both UofO & OSU campus and a lot of Community college campus's too these days. Thanks to mass shooting psychopaths, terrorists, and sexual assaults for that. That said, she was in a ridiculous low speed limit residential neighborhood with not much SHOULDER on either side of the road with all the parked cars. Proclaim Innocent and demand Jury Trial with "JURY NULLIFICATION" and proclaim innocence the stupid "wrong lane" bull crap in court!
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spiralcosmosart

10/23/19 COMMENTED UPDATED W/ THESE 4 WORDS: UNLESS OPERATING A MOTORVEHICLE, The only I.D. anyone owes a cop to avoid being arrested once cop categorically confirms civilian "is being detained" and asks for I.D. is the "Legal Name" of State records. She has the absolute right to say nothing else except "I have nothing to say". She's under no obligation to show any i.d. card, no license, nothing except date of birth and name. Once cop says she is "free to go" she owes them nothing except peacefully calmly GTFO Cop's questions.
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Shane P.

You are right on the point that she doesn't have to say anything, but she is required by law to provide ID when requested by someone in authority.

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germslover666

The cop was going to give her a citation and at that point the law say's you must give them your identification or like her you'd be going to jail for obstruction. Try not giving a cop your identification next time your pulled over and about to get a ticket and then tell everyone how the cop just to you your free to go because you didn't want to comply with a legal demand from a peace officer. I'm unlike this little girl if your a male your not only going to jail but your going to jail with a good ass whipping as well when they drag you out of your car and drop you and then have one of them drop on your neck with his knee.


spiralcosmosart

@germslover666 you don't know "the law" beyond your own socially engineered stockholm syndrome. You are not required to carry a f-ing an ID card unless you're Operating a MOTORVEHICLE!. All you need to do to legally comply is give your name and d.o.b. and don't say anything because "anything you say" REALLY "will be used against you" get clue, know you rights, and think before spouting armchair knee jerk reaction keyboard warrior ignorance.


Elijah Lark

Once the cop told her that he was giving her a citation she is obligated to provide proper identification for the citation to be filled out. Period.

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