Stephen Cosmos Arthur Perhaps this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23qauJ6ij74 is more bullshit pushing more mind control for tourism for yuppies from Ammerican countries to do tourism there?
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The Mayan Temazcal ritual comes from…
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Meester McLachlan Holy shit 
:( And aside from the effect of psychological destruction of 'Noobs' and 'empties' - who's profiterring , growing them? That's twisted.
Manage:( And aside from the effect of psychological destruction of 'Noobs' and 'empties' - who's profiterring , growing them? That's twisted.
Meester McLachlan The Label is the only logical thing ! "Do not use with Alcohol" I would warn everyone since the early 90s.. not to do them in a party setting. I saw one guy chew the side of another dudes face off who was 'tripping balls' beer and mushrooms. I was ...See More
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur People ridicule me like its the dumbest fucking question in the world to ask If there is indeed still is a person practicing an ancient tribal culture of Native American Indians in Mexico or Central America that do psylocibe Mushrooms as their ritual activity, their culture. REGARDLESS, of how much Jan Irvin has researched & absolutely concluded that this tribe or cult orwhatever has absolutely, categorically has been orchestrated / co-opted / hijacked/ or fucked by the CIA drug pushing agenda that Jan Irvin elaborately insists is the CASE. And if SUCH brown skinned Natives exists or claims to exists . . . is it really that much of a stretch to fucking goddamn hear his or her claim or story? And hear and him or her out? and invite him on a show and see an alleged "CIA shill" talk bullshit? wooa woa. . . . . . . . SO what?
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Meester McLachlan They might be rediculing you because you're not just 'asking a question" you frame it as if there is some logic overlooked in the research. Who in your worldly knowledge would fit the bill? Who would be the native that could represent this topic?
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur Meester McLachlan That hypothetical person is an open question and an open dare and should be welcome challenge and if in the central Mountains of Mexico or Central America where Psylocibe is taken by such people, claiming they're categorically absolutely ALL CIA shills is a Cavalier statement that deserves the most hypothetical or real challenger. I can't overstate that. Its the Grammar phase for the Trivium Method for me before I even bother to dare give a fuck to waste my time watching that video UnSpun 040 beyond where Jan Irvin starts citing conquistador travel notes. And its not like I disbelieve the CIA didn't have their dirty hand in promoting Psylocibe, Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill's little armchair mental masturbation session over the dismissing character Chief Bromden as just another wild monkey returning to the wild from captivity is a fucking joke to me, so why should I waste my time pretending either of them care to respect real Indigineous people's voices without that valid concern of an intent to face their most eligible detractors?https://www.youtube.com/playlist...
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur My first reaction to seeing this post and the video link immediately makes me curious the degree to which Jan Irvin ever bothered to at least invite ON HIS show or interview someone who is Indian of Native Central American or Mexican heritage still practiciing somekind of psylocibe mushroom ritual.
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Jan Irvin God, Stephen Cosmos Arthur, you and your half-wit sophistry...
Lydia White Calf....
Look, half-wit, and excuse my name calling, but you're starting to deserve it, the religion didn't exist before the CIA created it in the 1950s. Do you study ANYTHING? Or do you just regurgitate dumb shit the CIA told you to believe?
If you actually went in and read the Florentine Codex, the codices this whole entire thing is based on, see first post in this thread, dummy, you'd realize that the Aztecs didn't support this kind of thing, and that there is NOTHING that supports the mushroom religion theory, and even Maria Sabina came out exposing it and Wasson as a fraud, and Wasson simply took some stories of different indians he met high on mushrooms and amalgamated them into the religion you now see today from MKULTRA Subproject 58.
I cited you these articles weeks ago, but apparently you like to spin and tail chase and don't learn much of anything in the processes. I simply assume you're a troll or simply too dumb to learn or study anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-BvbGpwK5g
https://www.gnosticmedia.com/Entheogens_WhatsinaName...
But what did Maria Sabina have to say about all of this? In direct contradiction with all of the above claims from these “scholars,” in Maria Sabina, Her Life and Chants, she unequivocally states:
After those first visits of Wasson, many foreign people came to ask me to do vigils for them. I asked them if they were sick, but they said no…that they had only come “to know God.” They brought innumerable objects with which they took what they called photographs and recorded my voice. Later they brought papers [newspapers and magazines] in which I appeared. I’ve kept some papers I’m in. I keep them even though I don’t know what they say about me.
It’s true that Wasson and his friends were the first foreigners who came to our town in search of the saint children and that they didn’t take them because they suffered from any illness. Their reason was that they came to find God.
Before Wasson nobody took the mushrooms only to find God. They were always taken for the sick to get well.[98]
~ Maria Sabina
She further states:
For a time there came young people of one and the other sex, long-haired, with strange clothes. They wore shirts of many colors and used necklaces. A lot came. Some of these young people sought me out for me to stay up with the Little-One-Who-Springs-Forth. “We come in search of God,” they said. It was difficult for me to explain to them that the vigils weren’t done from the simple desire to find God, but were done with the sole purpose of curing the sickness that our people suffer from.[99]
~ Maria Sabina
What did the Aztecs themselves have to say, dummy?
The Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People
Pg. 19ff
One of Noble Lineage [is] a follower of the exemplary life, a taker of the good example of others; a seeker, a follower of the exemplary life.
The good one of noble lineage [is] a student, teachable, indoctrinated. He follows the exemplary life. He offers, he sets forth the exemplary life.
The bad one of noble lineage [is] a scandalizer, a flatterer—a drinker, besotted, drunk. He goes about becoming crazed; he goes about eating Datura stramonium and mushrooms. He becomes vain, brazen.
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 19ff
Pg. 37
The Lewd Youth
The lewd youth is a madman. He goes about drinking crude wine—a drunkard, foolish, dejected; a drunk, a sot. He goes about eating mushrooms. He goes about demented. [He is] restless, dissolute, shameless, presumptuous, lewd, tattling, wicked; a vile brute –brazen. He is impudent; he consumes his inner substance. [He is] vain, proud, debauched; a pleasure seeker, a libertine – revolting, filthy, vicious, a keeper of mistresses; a talker. He lives in concubinage; he is given to pleasure.
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 37
Pg. 49
[Another] Noblewoman
The noblewoman [is] of nobility, she belongs to the order of rulers, comes from rulership whether she is legitimate or a bastard child.
The good noblewoman [is] one who is bashful, ashamed [of evil], who does things with timidity, who is embarrassed [by evil]; she works willingly, voluntarily.
The bad noblewoman [is] infamous, very audacious, stern, proud, very stupid, brazen, besotted, drunk. She goes about besotted; she goes about demented; she goes about eating mushrooms..
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 49
p. 55
The Harlot; The Carnal Woman
The carnal woman is an evil woman who finds pleasure in her body; who sells her body—repeatedly sells her body; an evil young woman [or] an evil old woman, besotted, drunk – very drunk, much besotted; dejected, perverse; [like] a sacrificial victim, a bathed slave, a captive; full of affliction, mortal.
She consumes her inner substance – a prazen, a proud, a sissolute woman of debauched life; a fraud – gaudy, fastidious, vain, petty. [She is] oblivious of what all know her to be: a petty old woman, a free yilder of herself, a whore from the brothel, a deflowered one, a lascivious old woman; of itching buttocks – an old woman of itching buttocks; an aged woman, a flabby old woman, a filthy one; a filthy old dog who brings herself to ruin like a dog.
She parades; she moves lasciviously; she is pompous. Wheresoever she seduces, howsoever she sets her heart [on one], she brings him to ruin. She makes herself beautiful; she arrays herself; she is haughty. She appears like a flower, looks gaudy, arrays herself gaudily; she views herself in a mirror – carries a mirror in her hand. She bathes; she takes a sweat bath; she washes herself; she anoints herself with axin – constantly anoints herself with axin. She lives like a bathed slave, acts like a sacrificial victim; she goes about with her head high – rude, drunk, shameless – eating mushrooms. She paints her face, variously paints her face; her face is covered with rouge, her cheeks are colored, her teeth are darkened – rubbed with cochineal. [Half] of her hair falls loose, half is wound about her head. She arranges her hair like horns.
She goes about haughtily, shamelessly – head high, vain, filthy, given to pleasure. She lives in vice.
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 55
ManageLydia White Calf....
Look, half-wit, and excuse my name calling, but you're starting to deserve it, the religion didn't exist before the CIA created it in the 1950s. Do you study ANYTHING? Or do you just regurgitate dumb shit the CIA told you to believe?
If you actually went in and read the Florentine Codex, the codices this whole entire thing is based on, see first post in this thread, dummy, you'd realize that the Aztecs didn't support this kind of thing, and that there is NOTHING that supports the mushroom religion theory, and even Maria Sabina came out exposing it and Wasson as a fraud, and Wasson simply took some stories of different indians he met high on mushrooms and amalgamated them into the religion you now see today from MKULTRA Subproject 58.
I cited you these articles weeks ago, but apparently you like to spin and tail chase and don't learn much of anything in the processes. I simply assume you're a troll or simply too dumb to learn or study anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-BvbGpwK5g
https://www.gnosticmedia.com/Entheogens_WhatsinaName...
But what did Maria Sabina have to say about all of this? In direct contradiction with all of the above claims from these “scholars,” in Maria Sabina, Her Life and Chants, she unequivocally states:
After those first visits of Wasson, many foreign people came to ask me to do vigils for them. I asked them if they were sick, but they said no…that they had only come “to know God.” They brought innumerable objects with which they took what they called photographs and recorded my voice. Later they brought papers [newspapers and magazines] in which I appeared. I’ve kept some papers I’m in. I keep them even though I don’t know what they say about me.
It’s true that Wasson and his friends were the first foreigners who came to our town in search of the saint children and that they didn’t take them because they suffered from any illness. Their reason was that they came to find God.
Before Wasson nobody took the mushrooms only to find God. They were always taken for the sick to get well.[98]
~ Maria Sabina
She further states:
For a time there came young people of one and the other sex, long-haired, with strange clothes. They wore shirts of many colors and used necklaces. A lot came. Some of these young people sought me out for me to stay up with the Little-One-Who-Springs-Forth. “We come in search of God,” they said. It was difficult for me to explain to them that the vigils weren’t done from the simple desire to find God, but were done with the sole purpose of curing the sickness that our people suffer from.[99]
~ Maria Sabina
What did the Aztecs themselves have to say, dummy?
The Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People
Pg. 19ff
One of Noble Lineage [is] a follower of the exemplary life, a taker of the good example of others; a seeker, a follower of the exemplary life.
The good one of noble lineage [is] a student, teachable, indoctrinated. He follows the exemplary life. He offers, he sets forth the exemplary life.
The bad one of noble lineage [is] a scandalizer, a flatterer—a drinker, besotted, drunk. He goes about becoming crazed; he goes about eating Datura stramonium and mushrooms. He becomes vain, brazen.
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 19ff
Pg. 37
The Lewd Youth
The lewd youth is a madman. He goes about drinking crude wine—a drunkard, foolish, dejected; a drunk, a sot. He goes about eating mushrooms. He goes about demented. [He is] restless, dissolute, shameless, presumptuous, lewd, tattling, wicked; a vile brute –brazen. He is impudent; he consumes his inner substance. [He is] vain, proud, debauched; a pleasure seeker, a libertine – revolting, filthy, vicious, a keeper of mistresses; a talker. He lives in concubinage; he is given to pleasure.
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 37
Pg. 49
[Another] Noblewoman
The noblewoman [is] of nobility, she belongs to the order of rulers, comes from rulership whether she is legitimate or a bastard child.
The good noblewoman [is] one who is bashful, ashamed [of evil], who does things with timidity, who is embarrassed [by evil]; she works willingly, voluntarily.
The bad noblewoman [is] infamous, very audacious, stern, proud, very stupid, brazen, besotted, drunk. She goes about besotted; she goes about demented; she goes about eating mushrooms..
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 49
p. 55
The Harlot; The Carnal Woman
The carnal woman is an evil woman who finds pleasure in her body; who sells her body—repeatedly sells her body; an evil young woman [or] an evil old woman, besotted, drunk – very drunk, much besotted; dejected, perverse; [like] a sacrificial victim, a bathed slave, a captive; full of affliction, mortal.
She consumes her inner substance – a prazen, a proud, a sissolute woman of debauched life; a fraud – gaudy, fastidious, vain, petty. [She is] oblivious of what all know her to be: a petty old woman, a free yilder of herself, a whore from the brothel, a deflowered one, a lascivious old woman; of itching buttocks – an old woman of itching buttocks; an aged woman, a flabby old woman, a filthy one; a filthy old dog who brings herself to ruin like a dog.
She parades; she moves lasciviously; she is pompous. Wheresoever she seduces, howsoever she sets her heart [on one], she brings him to ruin. She makes herself beautiful; she arrays herself; she is haughty. She appears like a flower, looks gaudy, arrays herself gaudily; she views herself in a mirror – carries a mirror in her hand. She bathes; she takes a sweat bath; she washes herself; she anoints herself with axin – constantly anoints herself with axin. She lives like a bathed slave, acts like a sacrificial victim; she goes about with her head high – rude, drunk, shameless – eating mushrooms. She paints her face, variously paints her face; her face is covered with rouge, her cheeks are colored, her teeth are darkened – rubbed with cochineal. [Half] of her hair falls loose, half is wound about her head. She arranges her hair like horns.
She goes about haughtily, shamelessly – head high, vain, filthy, given to pleasure. She lives in vice.
~ Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, Florentine Codex, Book 10 (Part XI), The People, p. 55
Stephen Cosmos Arthur RE: Jan Irvin "God, Stephen Cosmos Arthur, you and your half-wit sophistry... " Dear Jan Irvin, in this Post you've started, you gotta at least give me credit from abstaining from jumping the gun and making hard decisions or ideas about the nature ps...See More
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur http://www.triviumeducation.com/ I'm still in the grammar phase Am I not?
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The Trivium method: (pertains to mind) – the…
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Meester McLachlan Do you really think KKKalifornia has native culture as it's best interest anyways??? Sure its' glamorized ..but is that the reflection of the real people? You missed the point of the post.
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Bobby Roe Stephen Cosmos Arthur use the Trivium before engaging dialogue otherwise people will think you are either unintelligent or an agent yourself. That's the nature of this field of study. If you don't know something and would like suggestions for further ask questions framed in such a way.
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur NO Bobby Roe there's nothing about the TRIVIUM method Grammar phase that says refrain from engaging in DIALOGUE. fuck that. Its a valid observation to challenge Jan to atleast engage with a Mexican Native Indian where the psylocibe supposedly is take...See More
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Bobby Roe Stephen Cosmos Arthur I suggest you do your grammar first so you do not appear to be a babbling buffoon. If you had done your grammar already you would understand why "asking for a Mexican Native Indian" is pointless and already addressed in Jan's work. Don't be lazy and study it out first.
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur I suggest you stop fornicating with Babbling Babboons before you dare call me a babbling Baffoon.
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur People ridicule me like its the dumbest fucking question in the world to ask If there is indeed still is a person practicing an ancient tribal culture of Native American Indians in Mexico or Central America that do psylocibe Mushrooms as their ritual activity, their culture. REGARDLESS, of how much Jan Irvin has researched & absolutely concluded that this tribe or cult orwhatever has absolutely, categorically has been orchestrated / co-opted / hijacked/ or fucked by the CIA drug pushing agenda that Jan Irvin elaborately insists is the CASE. And if SUCH brown skinned Natives exists or claims to exists . . . is it really that much of a stretch to fucking goddamn hear his or her claim or story? And hear and him or her out? and invite him on a show and see an alleged "CIA shill" talk bullshit? wooa woa. . . . . . . . SO what?
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Meester McLachlan They might be rediculing you because you're not just 'asking a question" you frame it as if there is some logic overlooked in the research. Who in your worldly knowledge would fit the bill? Who would be the native that could represent this topic?
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Stephen Cosmos Arthur Meester McLachlan That hypothetical person is an open question and an open dare and should be welcome challenge and if in the central Mountains of Mexico or Central America where Psylocibe is taken by such people, claiming they're categorically absolutely ALL CIA shills is a Cavalier statement that deserves the most hypothetical or real challenger. I can't overstate that. Its the Grammar phase for the Trivium Method for me before I even bother to dare give a fuck to waste my time watching that video UnSpun 040 beyond where Jan Irvin starts citing conquistador travel notes. And its not like I disbelieve the CIA didn't have their dirty hand in promoting Psylocibe, Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill's little armchair mental masturbation session over the dismissing character Chief Bromden as just another wild monkey returning to the wild from captivity is a fucking joke to me, so why should I waste my time pretending either of them care to respect real Indigineous people's voices without that valid concern of an intent to face their most eligible detractors?https://www.youtube.com/playlist...
Revisiting Joe Atwill Disrespecting the Novel
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